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On the other end of the spectrum, investors in these names should have a serious beef. I will say I haven't looked into details of all these pay packages and often they accumulate over time but a quick glance shows a much different experience for the CEO and the shareholder. By the way, these are legendary names and some even consider Mulally a corporate hero - but he's going to have to turn the stock around.
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Over spending is sin. Sin taxes are an excuse to justify the stealing from the poor. Lon Cothran on 5/29/2012 10:08:47 AM |
Aren't all taxes "sin taxes"? From Federalist #51: "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Because of fallen human nature, governments need to exist, and so, taxes. To your real point, any tax should be for the sole purpose of funding government, not to encourage or dissuade any particular activity. "Sin taxes" are a public relations gimick to extract money from the suckers. Tim Irving on 5/29/2012 10:34:35 AM |
Before I answer, let me first comment on one idiotic answer which is sure to crop up. Certainly, some shallow thinker is bound to replay that "It is not the role of government to legislate morality!" to the contrary, every act taken by every government is a legislation of morality. Laws against the most basic of crimes (murder, theft, rape, arson) are statements of morality which say it is immoral to hurt others as opposed to a moral code that says might makes right. Much of the animal kingdom lives under the code of might makes right where the strongest bull gets ALL the cows or the first of the meat of the kill. Tax codes are statements of morality which say almost everyone has a part in funding the common good of society and that certain good acts deserve reward by lowered taxes. As for "sin" taxes, these are fully justified if there is any tie to the good of society or the costs of the sin. If the sin is greed based, like gambling, then there is a cost to society to fight the crime which is generated by feeding that greed atttitude. If the sin is sex or diet based, then there is a huge cost in health care to fight STDs, cancer, emphysema, etc. (>30 STDs are epidemic in USA today, yet we still do not tax or charge more for insurance for promiscuity and/or homosexuality). If the sin is environmental, then there are both clenup and health care costs which should be covered. Many times, these costa are not easy to identify, so I am personally fine with not having rigid ties between costs and taxes. As a last comment, there are behaviors which are bad for society in excess, but not a problem on moderation. Such is the case with alcoholism versus a glass of wine or a beer. Prohibition is not the answer, but taxing could be a good way to discourage the damaging behavior. Unfortuantely, too much of our populace is so completely incompetent at personal finances that the taxes do less to discourage the behavior than they do to further enslave those people to poverty. Those people will spend most of their money on their bad behavior while failing to put good food on the table or pay the utility bills. In those cases, sin taxes so not seem to work, although those people will poor no matter how much money they get or how low the cost of their addictions. Bob G on 5/29/2012 10:57:49 AM |
Not good. It will be wasted just like Ca Jerry Brown raided the 911 Lic plate which was to used for scholarships for families of 911 victims Bob Medkeff on 5/29/2012 11:00:25 AM |
If they are indeed sins, the gov't now legitimizes them. Once enacted, it's now in the gov't's best interests to make sure the sins continue. There are frequent arguments about the societal cost of gambling, smoking, drinking. Isn't the gov't now endorsing them? Scott Heck on 5/29/2012 11:00:29 AM |
The government and most others believe that the End Justifies The Means. Until that fundimental flaw of reason is changed, nothing in the way of reform is possible. z on 5/29/2012 11:16:53 AM |
I think phrasing the question like this shows your preference for a particular answer. I don't think you gain much from shaving off "interesting" (read: difficult) parts of the question off in order to make the question more readily askable. A on 5/29/2012 1:46:34 PM |
My problem with sin taxes is authority. The right of government to tax unnecessary goods never bothered me until recently. It's repellant to place my trust in hands which keep exposing their shallow, grasping abuses. When tax dollars are misused, it's often for entirely useless purposes such as those disgusting parties some government agencies recently got busted for. So, my money is wasted by thieves who steal it and then spend it on what looks to me like just another 'sin'. Absurd. Patricia Flynn on 5/29/2012 3:02:23 PM |
Every in-hock government continues to pass additional sin taxes so as to pay off the union bennies and continue to get elected.The big-eared one in our White House promised no new taxes on the middle class. Does he think only the poor and the rich smoke? First thing he did was dump another $10 per carton tax on cigarettes, and now the wuss governor of Illinois wants another $10 per carton to pay off OUR unions. And I can no longer order off the internet because the turds in D.C. passed a law that says sellers must report sales to the states, which then bill buyers for their grubby paws. A pox on all elected and union turds. Delta Rosner on 5/29/2012 4:04:29 PM |
The greater the sin.....the greater the tax! Joe Tully on 5/29/2012 7:45:11 PM |
Good Question. Sin tax is just another tax. Who is the government to determine what "sin" is ? McDonalds food does as much damage to Americans as smoking. I mean, why not tax lying, lust, dirty thougts, etc. Just another tax. Bart Harrison on 5/29/2012 9:34:57 PM |
I quit smoking 35 years ago when they hit 70 cents a pack, so there is some merit to the idea that raising the price can reduce addiction. If that was all there was to it, however, I could have easily cut from 2 packs a day to one. My deeper reason was that I simply wanted to live, and that has certainly paid off, saving me a pile of money at the same time. I don't see how taxing cigarette addicts $3000 to $6000 a year helps anyone when a good smoke cessation program might cost less than $500. That's what that money should go for, not for some remote hope of curing cancer. Unfortunately, that would reduce the politicians' cash flow faster than anything else. Why don't they tax prostitution the same way? Would Eliot Spitzer have quit chasing high price call girls any sooner? Dennis Howard on 5/29/2012 10:54:23 PM |
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